The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. . This caliber rivals the firepower of the .45 Auto, but is shorter, allowing it to fit into a more compact semi-automatic pistol. a moment ago. In the late 1960s, KTW begun commercial production. Oklahoma - Teflon-coated bullets are illegal in Oklahoma under some circumstances. Applying flare/belling the mouth of the case is extremely important when loading powder coated bullets. "Isn't it always illegal to commit a crime? Can i register a car with export only title in arizona? [li]Oklahoma - Teflon-coated bullets are illegal in Oklahoma under some circumstances. By the late 1960s, KTW had begun commercial production. Some polymer coatings can reportedly be driven to 2000 fps or better, such as claimed by Eggleston Munitions, which makes them a possible choice for some rifle loads. Hydra-Shok was released in 1988 after the FBI requested a bullet with better terminal ballistics than traditional cup and core projectiles. In reality, as noted above, Teflon and similar coatings were used primarily as a means to protect the gun barrel from the hardened brass bullet, and, secondarily, to reduce ricochet against hard, angled surfaces. (The two NCIS shows are especially bad in the constant use of fully automatic weapons by bad guys. This whole cop killer bullet was/is B.S.! The KTW (named after the designers Kopsch, Turcus & Ward) is the ammo that everyone is referring to when they speak of "Teflon" and "cop killer bullets" in a single breath. Police Successes and Positive Interactions !! On a related note, a show I watch called The Glades, which is about a detective from the FDLE (FL Department of Law Enforcement) went out of its way last night to point out that in the state of Florida, guns are not required to be registered. They were quickly relegated to police/military only. The exclusive polymer coating of the American Eagle Syntech allows the bullets to glide through the barrel eliminating the copper and lead fouling. The first reference pretty clearly says no reloads and no lead bullets. Compared to lead rounds, they release no toxic gas that can float in the air and create unsafe conditions. The reader is probably thinking at this point, "Teflon? I always prefer more shooting for less money so lots of coated bullets (blue, black, acme, sns, bayou). Initial testing has proven the polymer coated bullets to be more accurate with a dramatic I bought some for 38 Spl ammo. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, especially when fired at handgun velocities. Polymer Coated bullets use a different process that is more of a plastic paint and is usually applied in a liquid form, dried and then heat set to about 375F for ~8 minutes, and repeated several times. Various gun control organizations in the U.S. labeled Teflon-coated bullets with the epithet "cop killers" because of the supposedly increased penetration the bullets offered against ballistic vests, a staple of the American police uniform. Some. I admire Ellis for trying and putting in the time and $$$ for his testing. Average performance with the G17 came in 23 feet per second higher than the manufacturer's rating of 870, while the average G43X performance came in at 24 feet per second below. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, especially when fired at handgun velocities. You probably mis-understood or they were incorrect because you're unlikely to find teflon-coated bullets and there's no practical way to make them at home. Lots of people shoot powder coated bullets in CZ's, Glocks and 1911's without problems. I monitored barrel condition for a while, and never had issues. A: The maximum recommended speed is 2,400 feet per second (f.p.s. Now if teflon bullets ever come up in conversation, I have something more than, Physics doesnt work that way as a response. If you want evidence that the world is a terrible place, watch the news and surf the web. Look for bullet weights in these rounds to range from 115-grain to 147-grain. The green Teflon (black teflon for several large bore calibers) material added to the bullets was designed to actually grip smooth surfaces such as glass and metal, and not to make it "slip" easily through kevlar. When aimed at the legs, rubber bullets can stop a dangerous person or crowd from getting closer to a police officer, Lazzaro said. So by the looks of it so far, it will be safe to use guys? Armor-piercing ammunition is designed to penetrate ballistic armor and protective shields intended to stop or deflect conventional bullets. In testing, the comparatively hard brass bullets wore out barrels far more quickly than standard solid lead and copper-jacketed lead rounds, since they did not deform to fit the rifling. Like there are no second hand unregistered gun sales. Thousands were shot (not by me), and there were no issues with the design or use of teflon. There's a couple of gun shops selling black coated bullets as "Teflon coated". I think the only remotely political statement in that movie is everyones complete disregard for the lives of innocent bystanders. Coatings come in a variety of colors. Teachers, quite often and unfortunately, plant seeds of 'knowledge' which isn't. The hard-cast bullet is coated with Underwood's Hi-Tek polymer coating that helps cut down on lead fouling, helps the flat-nosed round feed more reliably in semi-autos, and has a Brinell Hardness of 21. . $20.39. I was the one that posted the fictional POST. The end result is cleaner hands, guns/barrels, and loaders." They do NOT say that it's safe to use their coated bullets in Glocks, or in any other gun with a polygonal barrel. You might think there were thousands of them in the hands of bad guys.). Perhaps I should reword that statement better. Here's an easy way to get bullets coated: Lyman's Super Moly Kit. Madness is like gravity; all it needs is a little push. So spraying the bullets with teflon (then allowing them to dry) makes them armor piercing (against soft armor I'm assuming)? It's 70% cheaper than buying new FMJ. Availability . A Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) is a bullet that has a soft core, usually with lead, and is encased in a harder alloy metal such as cupronickel or gilding metal. These were the same people that were telling us those new plastic Glocks were a bad idea because they could slip passed metal detectors. They didnt do it in a negative way; Id call it neutral. Hornady Custom .40 S&W 155 Grain eXtreme Terminal Performance Centerfire Pistol Ammunition, 20, JHP $33.99 (Save 26%) $24.99 $1.25/Round. The third thing- construction material- by far being the most important. S&W I believe only had 357 mag teflon coated bullets in the 70s-80s. RN - 500 Ct. ( 43 ) $64.00 Weight: 16.60 LBS Shipping: Calculated at checkout * Select a Color Listed Below: Add to Cart Add to Wishlist Product Description .45 ACP 230 Gr. Yes, I too await the results Ellis gets. So the only benefit I can see would be would be that the speed may increase. Now we have ballistic tip ammo and they are not even considered hollow points. Dragnet said it Only the Facts Mam, Only the Facts. consuming but well worth the effort for those looking for such a Aramid was originally designed for use in tyres but was later shown to be stronger than anyone could have ever imagined. The intent was to provide cops with AP capability against criminals in cars or buildings. drimstidt357 said: When the G21 fist came out, I shot one in USPSA/IPSC. The Faxon Match Series 24" Heavy Fluted 6mm ARC AR-15 Barrel is designed for precision and performance, with a heavy fluted design that reduces weight and enhances performance. Hence you will never see them in california. Teflon coated cables are much better in the initial stages of life. Which is funny because David Mamet wrote that movie and he is a long time competitive shooter and gun person. ACME 45 (.452) 175gr SWC BULLET NLG COATED 100/BX . Great for indoor shooting where lead bullets are restricted. 6121: Certain bullets prohibited. [1] In an attempt to reduce barrel wear, the steel projectiles had a copper cup which made contact with the rifling, on brass projectiles, brass driving bands are present to engage the rifling. Only pointing out that anti-gun comments arent innocent. Its the mundane stuff of plastic bags and sandwich boxes, but polyethylene has a more streetwise talent: in the form of dense, high-molecular-weight fibres it can stop a bullet in its tracks. New Legal Armor Piercing Handgun Round Announced ~ VIDEO. Figure 7. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. RN - 500 Ct. .45 ACP 230 Gr. He mentioned something about the bullet slipping right through body armor and not spreading outthen again, that was middle school so who knows. Incendiaries, to include napalm, flame-throwers, tracer rounds, and white phosphorous, are not illegal per se or illegal by treaty. "[]while Virginia makes it illegal to use teflon coated bullets to commit a crime. Due to its high tensile strength-to-weight ratio Kevlar is perhaps the most widely accepted material used in body armour and so-called stab-proof clothing today. The inventors, having also noted that the tips of canes were frequently covered with the relatively soft and malleable Teflon to help them grip surfaces, found that the addition of Teflon helped to prevent bullet deflections from vehicle doors and windshields, further improving penetration against those surfaces. Thanks for all your inputs guys. Figure 5. Of course he used a pseudonym so that might say something there. Back in the late 80s someone tried to market teflon coated lead bullets. The cables have been used in suspension bridges such as the bridge at Aberfeldy, Scotland. .45 ACP 230 Gr. South Carolina state law specifically bans "ammunition or shells that are coated with. The NRA joined West Virginia Gov. GO SAFE MAG FOR GLOCK 17. RN - Sized to .452 (Typical). The coating itself did not add any armor-piercing abilities to bullets under normal circumstances. This error even made it into one of the Lethal Weapon movies. .40 S&W 180 Grain Flat Point No Lube Groove - Black Coated - 500ct. One coat is enough with HF RED. 3. Teflon is a synthetic chemical made up of carbon and fluorine atoms. Uhhhh no, sorry. Forgotten was the Remington Golden Saber. Unlike social media and the news, nature has no incentive to keep us agitated, angry, and anxious. In the 1960s, Paul Kopsch (an Ohio coroner), Daniel Turcus (a police sergeant), and Donald Ward (Kopsch's special investigator) began experimenting with special purpose handgun ammunition. The teflon was meant to actually slow down/catch the bullet in barriers rather than help it penetrate? Great for semi auto shooters using enhanced sights in Competition like IPSC and Speed Steel. Winchesters inaugural King Buck Classic sporting clays event at NILO Farms in Illinois next month will award more than $10,000 in prizes to sport shooters ages 12 to 21. I understand that the problem is with un-jacketed lead. taught me you can put teflon on any bullets if you have access to. Go figure?. In 1980, continued production of the ammunition was turned over to the North American Ordinance Corporation. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Teflon bullets were developed by a coroner, the coroner's special investigator and a police sergeant, who were seeking a round with improved penetration against hardened targets, such as car doors and windshields for law enforcement officer usage. Secure Online Ordering %local_inventory_count% Free Shipping! [1] In an attempt to reduce barrel wear, the bullets were experimentally coated with a protective layer of Teflon. In theory, yes. Figure 2. The GUN LAWYERS board Free gun related legal advice. 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GAP stands for "GLOCK Automatic Pistol". Many erroneously focused on the Teflon coating as the source of the bullets' supposedly increased penetration, rather than the hardness of the metals used. Cheers. Yes, I'm aware of the warnings in the manual. Enter the mainstream media; in 1992 or 1993, NBC News ran a hit piece on cop killer bullets, which in typical MSM fashion focused not on the projectile itself but rather on the Teflon coating. The inventors, having also noted that the tips of walking canes were frequently covered with the relatively soft and malleable Teflon to help them grip surfaces, found that the addition of Teflon helped to prevent bullet deflections from vehicle doors and windshields, further improving penetration against those surfaces.[2][3]. Molybdenum-disulfide, known as Moly, is a black, slick compound used to coat copper jacket bullets. Re: Teflon coated bullets in glock? ), look to powders close too Unique. In Stock Oregon state law forbids the "[possession of] any handgun ammunition, the bullet or projectile of which is coated with Teflon" while committing or intending to commit a felony. The moly-coated bullets are fine. * NOTES: Factory bullets for use in a Glock go all the way up to a BHN of 24; but, for most purposes, 24 is too much hard a value for cast lead. They do make Nylon bullets nowTNJ manufactured by Herters. Police Successes and Positive Interactions !! There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of places to get these coating jobs done. Banned in Alaska: . [5] However, many individual states have legislation restricting various kinds of coating materials, for example: Last edited on 16 February 2023, at 20:10, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Interview with an inventor of the KTW bullet", "Code of Alabama, 13A-11-60: Possession or sale of brass or steel teflon-coated handgun ammunition", "Hawaii Revised Statutes, 134-8: Ownership, etc., of automatic firearms, silencers, etc., prohibited (a)", "Kansas Statutes, Chapter 21, Article 63, 21-6301 (6): Criminal use of weapons", "North Carolina General Statutes, Chapter 14, Article 8 34.3: Manufacture, sale, purchase, or possession of teflon-coated types of bullets", "Oklahoma Statutes: Title 21 1289.19: Restricted bullet and body armor defined", "Oregon Revised Statutes, 166.350(a): Unlawful possession of armor piercing ammunition", "Consolidated Statutes, Title 18 6121. Say hello to the Aero Precision EPC-9 PCC, Vista Outdoor Back Ordered to the tune of $1 Billion. KTW then turned to steels and non-ferrous alloys which are considerably cheaper to buy and machine.. Out of Stock. The purpose of these rounds is to hold their trajectory, and they have greater penetration against soft tissue. A simple field test I use in order to . I bought a lot of Winchester 10mm silver tips when i got my first Glock because there wernt any cases for reloads for about a year after that until starr brass popped up at the gun shows. From Book 1: Angela is a renowned assassin `only` known by the name `the Teflon Queen`. Lead under FMJ is just fine. Highlights from the March 2023 issue of Shooting Sports USA, the NRAs competitive shooting journal. The bullets actually look "wet" and are very slippery. $55.50. Teflon-coated bullets, sometimes colloquially, also known as "cop killer bullets", are bullets that have been covered with a coating of polytetrafluoroethylene. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Kevlar thread is durable and abrasion resistant, but it has limited stretch. The polymer coated Teflon coated bullets were an interesting side track on projectile development, but have fallen into the dustbin of history due to an inaccurate hit piece by the mainstream media. A bullet with the same capabilitys but a more PC name. Description: [Madbull] Daniel Defense Licensed Modular Float Rail 7inch - TAN The Daniel Defense MFR (Modular Float Rail) is a CNC machined Modular Free Float handguard. ACME 44 (.430) 240gr SWC BULLET COATED 100/BX . [4], Several calibers of KTW rounds were proven to penetrate ballistic vests under certain conditions. Make the most of your range time with tips from Team GLOCK Captain, Shane Coley and GLOCK Professional Director of Training, Joseph Parent. I shot one round, the only one I had, into bare Clear Ballistic gel with a Sig P229 with a 3.9-inch barrel at a distance of 10 feet. Twice the velocity and twice the fun. One of them was that you weren't allowed to use "teflon bullets". They are so smooth, and don't bind on the sealed sections of cable ends. Some experts even suggest that Teflon-coated bullets were significantly worse when it came to penetrating Kevlar but nonetheless, several states have restrictions in place for the ownership. Zylon boasts a tensile strength that is 1.6 times stronger than Kevlar. "Only the dead have seen the end of war." Ive seen TV programs pushing microstamping. JavaScript is disabled. Really great articlelove when facts are put up against the media, plus I learned something new! The nonstick surface. This ensures that your gun will stay cleaner longer and shoot better. What do you mean by that? Find a Range Can polymer coated bullets be used in a Glock? Gun: Glock 34 Gen 3 (Factory Barrel) Bullet: X-Treme 147 gr. However, some manufacturers continue to coat their bullets with various compounds, notably Teflon and molybdenum disulfide, as a protective layer against barrel wear. There is the FMJ round-nose (or its cast equivalent) 230-grain bullet for practice, target and competition. North Carolina state law specifically forbids persons in that state to "import, manufacture, possess, store, transport, sell, offer to sell, purchase, offer to purchase, deliver or give to another, or acquire any Teflon-coated bullet". Made from high-quality 416R stainless steel, this barrel features a nitride finish for maximum corrosion resistance, nickel teflon extension for added durability and lubricity, and 5R rifling for excellent accuracy and . bullets can be pushed faster with no leading. Since when was a box of handgun ammo only 20 rnds? Guys what's your opinion about teflon coated bullets? Word got out, some legislator got ahold of the info, made a stink about it, they were illegalized. I don't see the reasoning/use for it.which is why I'm confused. RN Powder: Alliant Power Pistol 4.3 grs. In 1983, US Representative Mario Biaggi reported that Du Pont Company officials agreed to stop selling teflon to individuals and companies that used it to make ammunition. Badman Polymer Coated Bullets uses a process that bakes on a If that sounds familiar, good, because a considerable amount of former Communist Bloc rifle ammo uses a mild steel core to achieve better barrier penetration. No. When used with bullets, the coating of Teflon was specifically to help the bullet engage the rifling better and prevent the aggressive barrel wear caused by a naked projectile. Years of research have gone into sophisticated jhp bullet designs that allow for maximum expansion upon impact with a target. The KTW was made in many calibers with various bullet shapes and bullet materials. $111.00. Certain bullets prohibited", "South Carolina Code, Title 16, Chapter 23, Article 5 16-23-520: Use, transportation, manufacture, possession, purchase, or sale of teflon-coated ammunition", "Code of Virginia, Title 18.2, Chapter 7, Article 7 18.2-308.3: Use or attempted use of restricted ammunition in commission or attempted commission of crimes", "The Real Story on 'Cop Killer' Teflon-Coated Bullets", "The Return of a Legislative Legend: Debating 'cop-killers', https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teflon-coated_bullet&oldid=1139766193, This page was last edited on 16 February 2023, at 20:10. For self-defense, there are a number of more exotic bullet types available with the jacketed hollow point (JHP) leading the pack with bullet weights of around 165 to 230 grains. In 1982, NBC ran a television special on the bullets, supposedly against the requests of many police organizations, wherein it was argued that the bullets were a threat to police. So here's the question. This leads us to the question of what happened to Teflon coated rounds? Very confusing!!! New! Some bullets are coated with Teflon to protect the barrel from excessive wear and fouling. Ever notice how many action/fiction shows have guns as useless. It has to do with the hardness of the bullet material.
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